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HomeHomeDiscussionsDiscussionsGeneralGeneralPolishing the Turd: bayoneting the ALICE framePolishing the Turd: bayoneting the ALICE frame
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1/17/2014 6:50 PM
 

In my last thread about ALICE mods (http://www.hillpeoplegear.com/Forum/tabid/679/forumid/22/threadid/6408/scope/posts/Default.aspx) the suggestion was made to bayonet the ALICE frame. With images of riveting, welding or any kind of metalwork dancing through my head, I quickly dismissed it.

Well very recently I was looking at the Oneiros Valley NICE frame accessories (http://oneirosvalley.com/collections/nice-frame-accessories/products/g2-load-lifter-panel-llp) and the very similar Mystery Ranch version (the closest we will probably see to MR admitting that the NICE frame could in fact use some more shoulder lift) and the “Well duh…” feeling hit me. Since the NICE is an ALICE decendant, of course it's reverse compatable.

The concept is quite simple, what took me the longest was to decide how to simplify it down to only needing one buckle and to use the closure strap to mount the shoulder harness.

I just used Home Depot aluminum bar stock for this project, in a full sized pack there is way to much flex but with these short stays there is plenty of rigidity.

since I used the shoulder strap mounting brackets for my upper anchor point, the bayonets are perfectly placed to work with an ALICE pack bag:

The Bayonets, beyond adding shoulder lift, also add usable cargo space to more solidly anchor the crap that invariably gets lashed to the top of the too-small medium sack:

with the extra shoulder lift the LC2 also makes a decent dry-bag hauler, and isn't dependant on a tall load like my previous set-up:

 

these don't just work with HPG shoulder harnesses, they should also work with the spec-ops and tactical tailor shoulder straps too. not a huge fan of the MOLLE II straps, but anything is better then LC-2. For you Hellcat fans out there:

 

While I had the frame all dusted off I whipped up some water bottle slings too:

not as happy with these, the mounting tecnique is sound, but I'm definetely doing a cordura version next, the webbing and elastic is too finicky.

 

so to recap: the frame, bayonets, tactical tailor waistbelt and HPG harness, and compression straps (the dry bag set-up) is right at 4 lbs, which doesn't give this any real advantage over a Dana, Duplex, or most internals. total cost would still be over $100 if you had to build it from scratch, but still less then a real hauler. After my success with the dana and MOLLE frame adaptor I'm going to re-visit the prairie belt for the ALICE frame, but I think it will be harder since the ALICE doesn't have 1" webbing slots all over it. The problem with my last adaptor is that the webbing I used to go through the belt mounts on the ALICE just bunched up at the top of the (3"?) slots and had crazy belt sag. This try I'll use a 3" strip of cordura and see if I can cinch it tight enough to keep it from bunching.

If anyone else has any suggestions to "polish the turd" I'm all ears, I find it unreasonably interesting to try to improve legacy gear.

 
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1/20/2014 10:33 AM
 

I spent a couple of hours at SHOT talking with Jesse of Oneiros Valley who invented the bayonets. Seemed like a really good guy, and it is a great idea on any short frame. Heck, it's a good idea on McHale's internals too. To Dana Gleason's credit, he reached out to Jesse to work out licensing on Mystery Ranch's version of the bayonets. Those bottle holders look a lot like a version I tried out on the front of our shoulder straps. I ended up deciding that I either wanted the semi rigid foam versions we make or simple bungy cords like are on our shoulder harnesses now. Couldn't really get anything in-between to be very satisfactory.


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1/21/2014 11:40 AM
 

Nice work.  Got me thinking about the OV LLP again.  I wonder if it wouldn't work with the 1606AC frame.

 
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7/22/2014 3:45 AM
 
posted for waldandav:

Have you thought about offering these for those of us who still use alice or molle gear?

Co-Owner Hill People Gear "If anything goes wrong it will be a fight to the end, if your training is good enough, survival is there; if not nature claims its foreit." - Dougal Haston
 
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7/22/2014 3:46 AM
 
As Evan pointed out the designer of the bayonets is Jesse of Oneiros Valley, They are available directly from him, or if he isn't doing them anymore Mystery Ranch. Fowler just did a home build.

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7/23/2014 5:20 PM
 

Jesse reached out to me after I posted this and said that he had considered making something very similar, but wasn't sure whether the manufacturing costs vs. retail price vs. cost of the pack system penciled out, I tend to agree. An accessory that costs more then the whole pack can be a tough sell, several companies have done it successfully but it doesn't always work.

 I did finally make some better bottle pockets:

Since they hang below the frame there is some mean torque applied to them unfortunately, I already ripped one of them off falling on a side hill.

At 2oz apiece there isn't really any disadvantage from my skeletonized first model, and I really like having the pouch fit over the shoulder of the bottle. 

 

 
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3/23/2020 9:08 AM
 
Sorry about the necropost, Fowler, how did you get the large 3 bar slider onto your super belt in order to get the forward pull?
 
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