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6/26/2017 8:40 AM
 

Dear All,

I am in line for a new light to mid weight summer boot.  The Salomon Forces 4D Quest (non-Goretex version) looks great and has great reviews, still quite heavy though.  I am specifically looking at the the XA Pro 3D Mid, which is 200g lighter.  I am finding my AKUs are quite hot (although that is the only downside of that boot and it is overtly a duty boot, so wearing them civvy side stands out) but, cannot find much postive literature to say if XA Pro 3D Mid is of the same quality.  It seems that as there is more running shoe DNA to these, the 3D Mids do not stand up like the Quest 4D ones.  The Speed Assaults are also interesting but, I worry about the longevity of them in hard use.

Any comments from anyone that owns a pair of the Quest 4D or the XA Pro 3D Mid, as compared to the AKUs?

Craig

 
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6/26/2017 8:49 AM
 

I was issued the XA Pro 3D Mids....I like them, but they don't fit my feet right.  Even though they appear to have a wide toe box for a guy like me with wide feet, I can only wear them with a really thin sock.  Conversely, the Aku's fit me fine, even though they appear to have a more narrow toe box.  I think it must have something to do with the last they use and the ability to expand them with their lacing system.


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6/26/2017 9:06 AM
 

Hey There,

Long time lurker, first time posting. After using Keens for a numer of years and finally getting tired of their sharp downturn in quality and durability I recently bought a pair of the Salomon Forces XA Pro 3D Mid, and overall I have liked them. Like Alpendrms, They seemed to hit me a little narrow in the toe box and I need to be careful with the type of sock I wear. Other than that issue they are light, and comfortable for my uses (hiking and rucking.) I have not had them for very long so I cannot testify to their longevity, but for the past 3 months of using them about once or twice a week at 4-8 miles or so per week on trail and road under load, they have performed pretty well and so far I would recommend them to someone looking into a new lightweight boot.

 


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6/26/2017 9:22 AM
 
Thanks fella.
 
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6/26/2017 9:27 AM
 

The feedback I hear from folks regarding the 4Ds, most Salomons actually, is if they fit your foot they are absolutely amazing.  However, their longevity seems to be between 6 months and a year for most folks.  For that reason most folks I know that have to pay for them theirselves (instead of issued) only buy one or two pairs and then give up on them.  They are just to dang expensive for how long they last.


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6/26/2017 9:46 AM
 
Scot - I hear you, that's part of my ask. My AKUs have held out amazingly and I will not replace them. The idea was to find something more than an approach shoe but, less than a heavy boot. I really like the Asolo Jumla but, it seems they are no longer doing the non GV version. I am going to give the Speed Assaults or the XA Pro a whirl as the price is decent. Anything requiring heavy loads in the hills, I will stick with the AKUs or my numerous heavy boots.

Craig
 
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6/26/2017 9:58 AM
 
I wear the X-ultra mids everyday and they last ~2 years of "on-road" use. I really like them and they fit me well. I have the 4Ds for "off road" use and like them a lot too. Longevity has been good but I don't have more than 100 miles on them so who knows how long they will go. Good luck finding a boot that works and when you do, buy 2 pair cause they will quit making them about the time you need more!!!
 
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6/26/2017 10:50 AM
 

I had a pair of Quests- everything I was looking for in a light to mid weight boot, BUT they were too narrow in the toebox and back they went.

I'm not sure why more shoe/boot manufacturers aren't going with wider toe boxes- keep the midfoot and heel cup snug, but for gods sake open up that toebox a little!!!

 
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6/26/2017 4:15 PM
 
mtwarden wrote:


I'm not sure why more shoe/boot manufacturers aren't going with wider toe boxes- keep the midfoot and heel cup snug, but for gods sake open up that toebox a little!!!

Spot on! Here's my theory - boot "design" is currently heavily influenced by rock climbing shoe styling. Lace to toe, wrap around rand, etc. Just like outdoor gear was heavily influenced by alpine gear in the 90s and is heavily influenced by through hiking now. Never mind that what is good in rock shoes is bad for hiking and what works for through hiking is pretty limited elsewise.


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6/26/2017 4:19 PM
 
scothill wrote:

The feedback I hear from folks regarding the 4Ds, most Salomons actually, is if they fit your foot they are absolutely amazing. However, their longevity seems to be between 6 months and a year for most folks. For that reason most folks I know that have to pay for them theirselves (instead of issued) only buy one or two pairs and then give up on them. They are just to dang expensive for how long they last.



Spot on.
 
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6/26/2017 6:04 PM
 
Thank you all gentlemen, great info. I'll let you know.

Craig
 
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6/28/2017 5:12 AM
 

Nice to know I'm not the only one who can't seem to quite find that perfect boot. Totally agree about the wider toe box. Russell uses what they call the Munson Army Last (I think that's the name of it) for some of their boots...the fit is fantastic, but none of their boots that I know of fit the niche we are discussing here. Really hoping to "discover" that perfect boot one of these days!

 
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6/28/2017 7:29 AM
 
I hear you mate...to be clear, my go to boots consist of Hanwag Yukon (leather lined), Lowa Patrol (leather lined), AKU Bosco's and Scarpa Charmoz (Gore-Tex for the winter). I also have a pair of La Sportiva Boulder X approach shoes that are great too, just not for heavy loads, obviously. All awesome boots, no complaints on any of these. It's the heat issue I was attempting to negate. I am going to experiment with socks in my AKUs before I look at the Salomon Task Force products.
 
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6/28/2017 8:10 AM
 
Craig Robertson wrote:
I hear you mate...to be clear, my go to boots consist of Hanwag Yukon (leather lined), Lowa Patrol (leather lined), AKU Bosco's and Scarpa Charmoz (Gore-Tex for the winter). I also have a pair of La Sportiva Boulder X approach shoes that are great too, just not for heavy loads, obviously. All awesome boots, no complaints on any of these. It's the heat issue I was attempting to negate. I am going to experiment with socks in my AKUs before I look at the Salomon Task Force products.

 

Craig, you might also take a look at another AKU model....the Pilgrim.  Slightly taller than the Bosco, more pronounced lug sole, non-GTX, and very comfortable.  This is a second model (like the Bosco) that was designed with direct input from US and UK SOF personnel.  Love mine, and they are appropriate for when I am carrying heavier loads than what the Bosco is designed to support.  You can see on the link below that it is available with either a beige of black sole, GTX or non-GTX.  There are also a few other AKU models available.  This company (Procurement Specialists, LLC) also offers a military or LE discount to those who are qualified for it.  Great company to deal with.  Not sure what the process would be to ship to the Great White North, but I'll bet if you contact April (small American business, woman owned), she'll do her best to work with you.  She does a lot of business with Army Special Forces, NSW down at Virginia Beach, and the LE community.  Might be worth a try.

https://squareup.com/market/procurement-specialists-llc


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6/28/2017 8:19 AM
 
Ken - thanks for this, I will definitely check it.

Craig
 
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