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2/16/2015 1:01 PM
 
I had thought about that Scot....but it just wouldn't have the HPG tag. :(

I've just gotten used to those pockets and relish the convenience. But I totally get what you guys are trying to do.
 
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2/21/2015 9:16 AM
 
Guys - Any idea about shoulder width/sleeve length? Problem for a lot of guys built like me is that Alaska sizing works fine presuming sleeves are long and then I order roughly t-shirt size. Otherwise, going larger for more conducive sleeve length means I end up with a lot of material in the mid-section to deal with (way more then needed for underlayers) which means I lose out on thermal efficiency and have to deal with lots of fabric bunching up.  In other words, I buy "seattle sizing" generally (if I had a choice) because it works for me.  Not because I'm trying to show off in the woods.  That all said, I'm very excited about this and the Mountain Parka.  Thanks!
 
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2/25/2015 3:07 PM
 
sleeve length and girth is pretty generous on this piece.

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2/26/2015 10:06 AM
 
Great to hear. I look forward to seeing the specs when they are out.
 
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2/26/2015 12:12 PM
 
Hey Evan / Scott....you guys should make a modern, lightweight version of the surplus Shoreman's Hood. Especially one that fits massive heads like mine. Complete with coyote fur ruff.

Maybe combine it as an add-on to work in conjunction with the jacket your guys are coming out with. Something that can be used with more than just one jacket.

I'd buy one :-)
 
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2/26/2015 4:50 PM
 
Never been a fan of detachable hoods for whatever reason. However, the current plan is to make both the Wind Cheater and Mountain Parka "ruff ready" - both would be plumbed to accept our ruff which would be sold separately. You could switch it between both pieces.

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2/26/2015 8:27 PM
 
Looking forward to seeing the mountain parka. Wish you were doing it as a pullover also. Like that it will be ruff ready.
Any word when the new pack may come to life?
 
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2/27/2015 3:25 AM
 
Very exciting that it will be Ruff ready. Thank you for working that in.
 
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2/28/2015 8:22 PM
 
For those curious I checked the tag at the winter rondy and the wind cheater is 90-something% nylon and single digit polyester (i want to say 92/8). the lack of spandex is a very good thing in my opinion, and well worth the stretch penalty. High nylon content should make for a burly garment.
texture is of course hard to describe but it was very nice, kind of a canvas-y feel unlike a lot of slick wind shirts (sort of like the difference in feel between good cordura and cheap pack cloth if you get my meaning).
 
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3/3/2015 4:28 AM
 
So the HPG WC will be similar to the FS, but minus sleeve pockets, +napoleon pockets and ruff option, and in eVent?
 
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3/3/2015 5:58 AM
 
Correct except the last one, it won't be event. It will be the same material as the FS WC, which is basically nylon with a cotton feeling hand. The parka discussed in the other thread wil be event. Two different jackets.

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3/3/2015 1:07 PM
 
OK, thanks Scott.
 
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3/3/2015 7:48 PM
 
I've read through this thread on the Wind Cheater and also the thread on the parka. I'm assuming the parka is insulated for colder weather and the Wind Cheater is just a shell?? I'm trying to figure out where these garments will fit into my outerwear arsenal.
Thanks.
 
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3/4/2015 4:06 PM
 
Kevin, they're both shell garments. We're not big into melding shells and insulation together. You lose versatility that way. Here's how they break down in terms of comfort range when moving and worn over a baselayer:

-10 to 40 F - Mountain Parka - waterproof, semi-breathable (eVent is as good as it gets for any WPB), superb wind cutter
15 to 65 F - Wind Cheater - water resistant, very breathable, decent wind cutter

Wind speed will make a big difference in operating temperatures. Of course any time it's raining you want to be wearing the WPB unless it's so warm you don't mind getting soaked.

The reason they're both ruff ready is that a ruff is really useful in temperatures below 25 or 30 -- both garments have operating ranges below that.

They will both go over an insulating layer. But the Mountain Parka is cut WAY fuller to go over a Mountain Serape worn in greatcoat mode. And of course any other big puffy coat. You can layer MP over WC. MP also goes to the knees, whereas the WC is about crotch level in front and below the butt in back. The length and girth of the Mountain Parka means that it functions as a nice half length bivy that will go up to your waist when pulled on from the feet.

Over the past few years of intensive experimentation, I've come to the point where I carry the same setup year- round:

Gaiters
Softshell pants
Baselayer
Big rain parka (Mountain Parka)
Breathable wind shell (Wind Cheater)
Mountain Serape
Contact Gloves
Beanie

That's it. The only thing that really varies is the temp rating of the sleeping bag I'm carrying, and it is based on the knowledge that I'll be using the Serape as an outer bag at night. So in the summer when I want to be prepared for temps into the 20s, I've got a 40 degree bag. In winter a 0 degree bag, the rest of the year a 20 degree bag.

Then in the winter I will add the following things to the above setup:

midweight long underwear bottoms
substitute a little heavier softshell pants
substitute a little heavier baselayer top (midweight)
Puffy overpants
lightly insulated overmittens

And in the summer I will add the following:

lightweight cotton sheeting shirt (a cowboy snap shirt)

Hope that helps...


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3/4/2015 6:19 PM
 
Excellent breakdown, Evan. Now I've got a picture in my mind of how to use the two garments.
Keep on keeping on producing top quality, functional gear for those of us who appreciate it.
Thank you.
Kevin
 
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3/4/2015 10:05 PM
 
Evan I'd be very interested in learning what type of soft shell pants you are wearing. I've got some pretty standard hiking pants I use for most of the stuff I do in California. Whenever I need to go to higher/colder elevations I'm left wanting. I've found that most soft-shell pants are fairly tight and don't often times have my size 40-42 in a comfortable size with leg room. My waist is around 38-40 but I often times buy a larger size to accommodate my lineman legs!

Thanks for any pointers.
 
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3/5/2015 9:19 AM
 
Bc99,

I would recommend trying to find a pair of Patagonia MARS soft shell pants. They pop up on eBay quite regularly. They are cut with an extremely generous thigh area for people with athletic legs/thighs. The MARS line was a system designed for military special operations based on Patagonia's commercial Regulator line. Be sure to verify that it is part of the MARS system as their currently issued PCU soft shell pants run quite slim in my experience.

Nick Boyle | HPG Product Specialist
 
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3/5/2015 11:11 AM
 
bc99 - right now I'm wearing a pair of lightweight Kuhl soft shell pants about half the year and the other half some I got from Mountain Hardwear on clearance that were sold as "cragging pants" but are cut like a pair of Carhartts. The Kuiu (sp?) ones I've seen people wearing look really nice too.

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3/5/2015 11:23 AM
 

bc99, I don't know whether they have them in your size or not, but check this link: http://www.hillpeoplegear.com/Forum/t....  I just got a pair because I was digging the pair that steamboatsystema had on during the Winter Gathering.  I have them on right now as I write this.  Super comfortable and functional.


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3/8/2015 10:51 AM
 
Will the two jackets have pit zips?

And I'm guessing you guys don't have a ballpark figure for the two jackets....I need to plan how much to save :-p
 
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