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New Post 12/4/2011 6:50 PM
  SLG
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Re: Staying Warm 

My kinda guy!  I started out with wool, got away from it for a while in my younger, more foolish days, mostly went back to it a few years ago, and now swear by it for most things. 

 
New Post 12/4/2011 8:51 PM
  Jason
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Age definitely has something to do with it.  I'm only 41, but it about age 30  when something clicked in my genetic code, and I went wool.  I was already a traditionalist with my tastes in walnut rifle stocks, blued gun metal, leather holsters and carbon steel blades. Wool was just a missing piece of the puzzle I'd been overlooking---------or at least not fully embracing.

I grew up using mil-surp wool as that was the cheapest gear for my folks to outfit me with.  My dad loved Filson and Pendleton wool, but as a kid I didn't understand it.  I suppose some of that parent modeling could have rubbed off on me,  but I think it mostly boiled down to my maturing into a smart adult.  Visiting Les Newmans in Salem for the first time at about age 4 (I still remember all the white haired gentlemen who still worked there when I first visited) , and then for the next 30yrs thereafter definitely played a role. The creaky wood floors, and smell of leather and tin cloth is forever burned into my memory.  It was the closest I've ever come to walking through a doorway and into past, and it was all I could do not to cry in public the last time I visited that wonderful store before it closed forever.  And while the store lies empty,  I do count myself fortunate to have a closet packed with Filson clothing purchased there.  I can close my eyes, bury my nose in a tin cloth coat, and still picutre the entire store in every detail.   As Alfred Loyd Tennyson wrote, "'tis better to have loved and loss, than never to have loved at all."  The world is filled with women, but a store like Les Newmans is truly rare, and I'm thankful that I was given the chance to love that tall, narrow, half a block deep working museum for 25yrs of my life.

My dad tells me wonderful tales of his shopping at military surplus stores back in the late 40's and early 50's. Purchasing fleece and soft shell garments online is robbing this and future generations of a priceless experience.

Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed a quick peek into the window of what makes me tick.  I can't imagine that I'm the only odd duck out there....... 

 

 
New Post 12/5/2011 10:20 AM
  snakey3
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The best, warmest hat I own is a Sleeping Indian hat, wool with a fleece lining the best of both worlds.

 
New Post 12/5/2011 4:46 PM
  Jason
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I decided to finally try the Stormy Kromer.  It meets all the criteria for a hat I'd love----------100+ years old design, dated but classic styling, and wool construction-------so I'm actually happy the temperature is dropping so I can test 'em out.  I bought both the regular Stormy and the Cabelas version with Goretex membrane.

I think a Kromer was the missing piece of my 1930's ensemble.  Now I just need bindings for my ash snowshoes and I'll be looking for a time machine on Ebay.

 
New Post 12/11/2011 9:05 AM
  SuperBadger
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 Is this the type of wool shirt you're talking about?

https://www.mainemilitary.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=&idproduct=2537

I picked something like this up a couple months ago at a gun show for about 10 bucks. They're definitely nice.

 
New Post 12/11/2011 9:32 AM
  CCH
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I used to be a traditional wool guy, but finally sold most of my stuff when I realized I just don't use it anymore. Great stuff, but heavy. If I'm moving, wool pants are generally more than I want in anything but extreme cold and have the downside of accumulating snow/water and becoming heavier than they already are. My wool shirts didn't provide 1/4 the insulation of a synthetic fill jacket but weighed twice as much. I'm all over merino wool for socks, glove liners, beanies and baselayers but have gone over to the synthetic side elsewhere. My knife is still carbon steel though...

 
New Post 12/11/2011 10:01 AM
  scothill
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Re: Staying Warm 

 CCH wrote
 

I used to be a traditional wool guy, but finally sold most of my stuff when I realized I just don't use it anymore. Great stuff, but heavy. If I'm moving, wool pants are generally more than I want in anything but extreme cold and have the downside of accumulating snow/water and becoming heavier than they already are. My wool shirts didn't provide 1/4 the insulation of a synthetic fill jacket but weighed twice as much. I'm all over merino wool for socks, glove liners, beanies and baselayers but have gone over to the synthetic side elsewhere. My knife is still carbon steel though...

I am pretty much in this boat. I still wear a bunch of wool when I am working out of a vehicle, but if it is on my back or in the pulk I have to agree with CCH. Although none of my knives are carbon steel and my 1911 is aluminum.....

 
New Post 12/11/2011 10:38 AM
  CCH
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Well an aluminum 1911 is pretty new-fangled. Didn't they just start making the Lightweight Commander in the 1950s?

 
New Post 12/11/2011 3:24 PM
  SuperBadger
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I do appreciate how much more quickly synthetic stuff dries as opposed to wool. I've been temped to go back to synthetic base layers from time to time for this reason. However, to me merino is much more comfortable against the skin and overall is a much nicer material, especially when it comes to multi-day wear, and proximity to flame.

Sometimes I find that when I am layered in synthetic stuff, sleeping in a synthetic bag I tend to sweat a bit more than if I am wearing merino.

 
New Post 12/11/2011 3:52 PM
  CCH
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Wool base layers and wool outer layers are two separate conversations IMO. I went to wool base purely because of odor. I think they hold moisture longer than synthetics, BUT they are much more comfortable while doing so.

 
New Post 2/10/2012 2:01 PM
  Timateo
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Patagonia just reintroduced a silkweight merino shirt this week with a fabric that is 65% wool/35% polyester. I know some folks won’t be caught dead in Patagonia kit ’cause they think the brand is pretentious or something. To each his or her own!

 
New Post 2/10/2012 2:56 PM
  kevin_t
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Wool next to the skin for me and socks, although I recently was gifted some Kentucky Royal Alpaca socks that I have been wearing for 18 days strait. I like wool outerwear as well, but usually end up soft shell outside plus something of down. Marmot $30 leather gloves, follwed by a mitt if needed. If your head , feet and hands are warm the rest seems to do fine.


http://www.seekoutside.com | sig added by EH... go check out Kevin's stuff!
 
New Post 3/12/2012 11:15 AM
  eknopins
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We must take a look at balaclavas if  our goal is staying warm.  Several of you have noted that if you keep your head, hands and feet warm everything else will be all right.  Working out doors all winter long year after year I have found that balaclavas are a great piece of gear.  While you can choose how much you want to cover you can protect your head, ears, neck and chin with no problem.   Some balaclavas are built so that you can pull the bottom up over your mouth and nose and these have holes or mesh that allow breathing.  As I have problems with foging on my glasses when the balaclava covers my nose I only use this coverage in the most extreme cold conditions.   They help prevent heat loss from around the neck opening in your other clothing.   Due to the different conditions I work and play in I have several balaclavas.  I really light one is good when you just need to break the wind a little and can also protect you from intense sun coming off snow at high elevations.  The balaclava I use most at work came from the bicycle shop, Performance.  It blocks the wind, breaths moisture away and is warm enough for most conditions.  One reason I like this balaclava so much is that it does not effect my hearing as much as others.  Balaclavas that have a wind shear or water proof and breathable membrane in them tend to be noisy to my ears.  As the balaclava moves on my head the membrane make noise that reduces my ability to hear other sounds.  For hunters or others that need to hear as much as possible in the environment this is a consideration.   Balaclavas that fit tight and are of soft fabric have little or no noise problem.   I have heavy balaclavas from Cambelas made of fleece.    I find that wearing a balaclava while sleeping can make an otherwise cold night in a sleeping bag much more comfortable.  For the most warmth I pull the top of the balaclava down so that it covers my eyes and to the tip of my nose.  Not have my nose stick out into cold air really helps me get a good nights sleep.  As I am somewhat more sensitive to cold than the average man I strive to use the best tools to stay active and comfortable while working and playing outdoors all winter.  

 
New Post 3/12/2012 6:45 PM
  Ridgernr
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Re: Staying Warm 

I have found a neck gaiter and a watch cap work well for me. I can ajust the hat and gaiter as conditions change and I can cool down as needed or remove the gaiter alltogether .  Definately a piece of gear I really use in the winter months, It also works well as face camo.

 
New Post 3/12/2012 8:27 PM
  SuperBadger
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 There are a few pairs of the Patagonia PCU Level 7 Micopuff pants on eBay right now for around 60 bucks, which is a pretty good deal. 

 
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