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6/20/2014 11:12 AM
 

I thought it was time to update this thread. Original thread: http://hillpeoplegear.com/Forum/tabid...

I get asked approximately once a week about a secondary holster in the holster pocket of the kit bags. In most cases it is just a lack of understanding of how the kit bag works, but in others they read or saw where someone on the internet said you have to have one. When I look at the reference in a lot of cases it is someone who hasn’t used the bag or has only just gotten it.   Every kit bag has a strip of Velcro down the back of the holster pocket as well as a loop at the bottom. I should say every current one, as both features were added after the first couple or runs. The loop at the bottom is so you can tie in something like a Vanguard for a striker fired gun. I have tried to get a glock and m&p to fire through the kit bag, and haven't been able to make it happen, but the extra bit of safety is a good thing. Adding the loop after the Vanguard became available was a no brainer for the striker fired guns. Just make sure it is tied up close.  The Velcro was added because we got tired of hearing it was needed so a holster could be added to secure the gun. Again, mostly by folks who had never used one. The bag is designed to drape around your chest, which is what secures the pistol. The curvature of your chest and the bag itself hold it in place. You don’t really understand this until you try one on, but it works great. The drape is also why most folks are better off with the full size bags over the Snubbys, as the Snubby doesn't drape around the torso, but instead sits on top of the chest making it less comfortable. Finally, the way the pistol sits on the bottom of the bag is by design to keep the weight low down so you get a good hang, whereas if you position the firearm higher you can get some top heavy issues. Most folks who give it a shot give us the feedback that they agree that a secondary holster is not needed because the handgun is secured the way it is designed. We have also heard from more than one guy that after a bit of practice they are getting good times on a shot timer, including from one agencies instructors informal testing.
We sometimes get asked why not full Velcro so I can add magazines, a flashlight, or whatever. What we found in testing was that the Velcro added heat to your chest area. The center strip is hotter than no Velcro and the full back Velcro is even hotter. That is why we went with just the center. The other reason is that we look at the back pocket as the holster and we don’t recommend putting stuff in the holster with a gun.
Historically, we felt that a holster might be the way to go, and found that an interior holster was slower on the draw using a shot timer, and could also cause binding. It also didn’t make the gun any more secure.  We neither use nor recommend a secondary fabric or strap holster like the ITS.
Sometime last year Bruce from Contact Concealment reached out to us, and talked with Evan, he thought that he had an idea for a kydex holster that would add to the kit bag for his uses and he wanted permission to run with it. That pretty much tells us what we need to know about his character as it was a class act. Fast forward to last week, when I was in the market for some new magazine pouches, I have been hearing lots of good stuff about Contact Concealment and decided to give them a shot as they had what I was looking for. Bruce commented offhand that he loved our Snubby’s and he and his wife used them every day. One thing led to another and I was watching the video that Bruce had put up on Youtube. We have been sent several pictures of inserts that guys have made out of kydex and other materials of the years, but none really sparked my interest no matter how nice the work, and most were, for one of two reasons. First they didn’t really do anything that the Vanguard did at the cost of bulk and weight, and/or they moved the pistol up off the bottom of the pack creating the top heavy issue that I spoke off. Bruce’s video and insert make it clear that he not only understands the design of how the kit bags work, but was adding to it for his uses. He also found a way to do it without adding bulk and weight. 
I am still not convinced that a secondary holster is needed within the holster pocket, but if you do want one check out the one from Contact Concealment. My understanding is he will have it available for sale soon.

Co-Owner Hill People Gear "If anything goes wrong it will be a fight to the end, if your training is good enough, survival is there; if not nature claims its foreit." - Dougal Haston
 
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6/20/2014 12:12 PM
 

Here are a couple of pictures that Bruce sent me:

G19 in a snubby:


Co-Owner Hill People Gear "If anything goes wrong it will be a fight to the end, if your training is good enough, survival is there; if not nature claims its foreit." - Dougal Haston
 
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6/22/2014 9:49 AM
 

I've been playing with one of the Maxpedition bag type strap holsters to secure a custom 4"Ruger Redhawk.  What I found initially was the Redhawk setting on the bottom wasn't that comfortable because it interfered with the "wrap" of the bag around the chest.  The gun felt better when the muzzle was settled in the left (while wearing it) bottom corner and the grip towards the upper right corner.  I'm having a hard time getting it set that way because the hoster doesn't have enough adjustment for that large revolver.  It's not a problem with the Kit Bag, but the reality of carrying a large revolver.  I may or may not keep trying.  It could be that time would make me realize it's better just setting naturally.  This might offer some insight into why some may want a holster.  Thanks for the info.

 
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6/22/2014 2:34 PM
 

 I guess I am not tracking. Why does that require a holster? It is just sitting upside down on the bottom correct?


Co-Owner Hill People Gear "If anything goes wrong it will be a fight to the end, if your training is good enough, survival is there; if not nature claims its foreit." - Dougal Haston
 
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6/22/2014 8:54 PM
 

It sets right-side up either way.  If no holster is used, it sets with the muzzle at the bottom left corner and the butt at the right bottom corner, as viewed by the wearer.  I'm trying that strap "holster" to get the butt off the bottom of the bag so the length of the handgun doesn't interfere with the natural "wrap" of the bag of which you spoke.  Not using it to secure the handgun, but position it where I want it for comfort.  I just wanted to add to the conversation that some folks may be using a holster for that reason.  In the end, I may just use it the way it's designed, without a holster.  It works well enough that way.  It's hard to carry a handgun that large without a belt holster, but the kit bag is perfect.  Hopefully that cleared things up.  Thanks.

 
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6/23/2014 3:16 PM
 

Gotcha, I figured I was misunderstanding something. I have carried a 4" N-frame in a kit bag. It works alright, but there is just no way around that big cylinder.  I don't know if Contact Concealment could make you an insert, but it might be more stable than the fabric on. Let us know how it works out.


Co-Owner Hill People Gear "If anything goes wrong it will be a fight to the end, if your training is good enough, survival is there; if not nature claims its foreit." - Dougal Haston
 
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5/28/2015 8:50 AM
 

I regularly carry a Glock 20 with a Lone Wolf comp barrel in a holster. I simply threaded a piece of industrial velcro through the belt loop partition, canted it how I wanted and pressed it in. It has worked really well, doesn't move and I can draw it smoothly. Most importantly I have a holster covering the trigger and nothing else rides in that pocket. I've attached a few pics to show. Thanks.

Tom

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